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		<title>Honda Civic Hybrid Lawsuit: Customers Get Rebate or Cash-Back Option</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Gartner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honda is now offering a $500 rebate to customers who purchased a Civic Hybrid between 2003-2007 but aren&#8217;t happy with the gas mileage they are getting. This offer, which must be used towards the purchase of a new Honda (alternatively you can take $100 cash) is the result of a lawsuit by musician and disgruntled [...]<br /><div><img src="http://blog.cleantechies.com/wp-content/plugins/gd-star-rating/gfx.php?value=0.0" /></div><div>Rating: 0.0/<strong>5</strong> (0 votes cast)</div><br />]]></description>
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<p>I know this story well as I am a former HCH owner, having purchased one in 2003. I similarly didn&#8217;t achieve the EPA&#8217;s estimated MPG that is required by law to be the only mileage quoted in advertising by the car companies.</p>
<p><span id="more-7528"></span>I was the first to write about this issue for Wired News (see the details <a href="http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/news/2004/05/63413">here</a> and <a href="http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/news/2004/05/63541">here</a>), and in my reporting discovered that all hybrid vehicles were receiving generous MPG ratings because the EPA&#8217;s decades-old testing procedure spent an unrealistic amount of time &#8220;stopped,&#8221; at which point the hybrid-electric vehicles&#8217; engines turned off.</p>
<p>Realizing the error of its ways, the EPA at long last updated its testing methodology in 2007, which brought down the MPG estimates of hybrids much more than ICEs. The EPA even established revised fuel economy estimates for existing vehicles, which were available online to Mr. True around the same time he filed suit.</p>
<p>In addition to the flawed EPA test and a break in period (hybrids tend to get better mileage after few thousand miles of driving), driving habits play a major role in the actual-versus-estimated MPGs. &#8220;Your mileage may vary&#8221; is not just a cliche, which some folks who drive aggressively or in constant traffic fail to realize.</p>
<p>History could be repeating itself with the advent of the plug-in hybrid, and automotive OEMs should learn the lesson from this lawsuit. Honda was following the law in advertising using EPA estimates, yet the company is curiously willing to potentially pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in a settlement. (Several happy HCH owners have posted online that they won&#8217;t take the money and are objecting to the settlement offer.)</p>
<p>Offering $500 towards the purchase of a new Honda vehicle is an oft relied upon tool for auto makers that could generate some additional business for the company. Even though Honda denies any wrongdoing, offering money under the auspices of a court settlement sends a negative signal that hybrids aren&#8217;t all they are cracked up to be to prospective buyers who may not be familiar with the history of the EPA&#8217;s testing procedures.</p>
<p>General Motors recently claimed that the upcoming Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid achieved 230 miles per gallon based on internal tests, but then the EPA quickly <a href="http://gas2.org/2009/08/12/so-much-for-that-epa-wont-back-up-gms-230-mpg-claim/">questioned that figure</a>.</p>
<p>Plug-in hybrids and EVs have the potential to reshape the transportation market, but auto makers have to carefully manage expectations. The new vehicles&#8217; cost effectiveness will come into question, and the performance characteristics and driving experience of electrified vehicles require a steep learning curve. The last thing the troubled U.S. auto industry needs is a new round of lawsuits from customers who don&#8217;t understand their vehicles.</p>
<p><em>Article appearing courtesy of </em><a title="Matter Network" href="http://www.matternetwork.com" target="_blank"><em>Matter Network</em></a></div>
<hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://blog.cleantechies.com/2009/08/05/cash-for-clunkers-driving-consumers-hybrids-fuel-efficiency/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Cash for Clunkers Driving Consumers Towards Hybrids &#038; Fuel-Efficiency">Cash for Clunkers Driving Consumers Towards Hybrids &#038; Fuel-Efficiency</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.cleantechies.com/2011/02/22/greenest-car/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Which is the Greenest Car of Them All?">Which is the Greenest Car of Them All?</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.cleantechies.com/2010/01/06/toyota-secret-baby-prius-green-car-detroit-auto-show/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Toyota to Unveil Secret “Baby Prius” Green Car at Detroit Auto Show">Toyota to Unveil Secret “Baby Prius” Green Car at Detroit Auto Show</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.cleantechies.com/2011/10/02/green-coalition-files-lawsuit-over-u-s-arctic-drilling-approval/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Green Coalition Files Lawsuit Over U.S. Arctic Drilling Approval">Green Coalition Files Lawsuit Over U.S. Arctic Drilling Approval</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.cleantechies.com/2009/09/02/electric-motor-diesel-engine-diesel-hybrids/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Electric Motor + Diesel Engine = Time for Diesel Hybrids?">Electric Motor + Diesel Engine = Time for Diesel Hybrids?</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright © 2008-2010 <a href="http://cleantechies.com">CleanTechies</a>, Inc. and Partners<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br />
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		<title>Cash for Clunkers Driving Consumers Towards Hybrids &amp; Fuel-Efficiency</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Gartner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By all accounts the cash for clunkers incentive program has exceeded all expectations in both volume of sales, as well as answering skeptics by getting fuel inefficient vehicles off the road. The new vehicles being purchased average nearly 10 mpg higher, saving nearly 4 million barrels of oil per year and eliminating the production of [...]<br /><div><img src="http://blog.cleantechies.com/wp-content/plugins/gd-star-rating/gfx.php?value=5.0" /></div><div>Rating: 5.0/<strong>5</strong> (3 votes cast)</div><br />]]></description>
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<p>The new vehicles being purchased average nearly 10 mpg higher, <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/04/cash-for-clunkers-benefits/">saving nearly 4 million barrels of oil per year</a> and eliminating the production of tons of greenhouse gases.</p>
<p>More importantly, the program and its surrounding attention seems to have driven consumers towards hybrids and fuel efficient vehicles even more than a 50 cent spike in the price of gasoline. According to Brian Benstock, the VP and GM of <a href="http://www.paragoncars.com/">Paragon Honda and Acura</a>, the program is also introducing new customers to imports. Benstock said the program has reversed the ratio of domestic/import trade-ins at his dealership. Previously about 70 percent of his customers were trading one import (mostly Hondas) for another. Now it&#8217;s the opposite: 70 percent of people walking in the door are swapping American made autos for Hondas.</p>
<p><span id="more-5668"></span>The simple reason for this switch &#8212; no Hondas qualify as clunkers under the program, so customers now Benstock&#8217;s talking to customers who previously bought American SUVs and pickups. He said the Honda Civic (37 percent of sales) is the hottest seller, followed by the Accord, and then the Insight hybrid. Paragon ran out of Civic Hybrids a few weeks ago, so for now his sales people are putting people in standard Civics by touting its fuel efficiency and adding incentives. He expects to have more Civic Hybrids by the end of the month.</p>
<p>Sales overall are nearly back to &#8220;pre-recession&#8221; levels Benstock says, with just as many additional customers who aren&#8217;t getting the cash-back as who are. He admits that this stimulus has &#8220;done exactly what it was supposed to do &#8212; stimulate sales,&#8221; but that at some point auto makers have to take over in generating sales on their own.</p>
<p>Ford and GM have also seen a strong increase in sales, while the impact at Chrysler has been more modes.</p>
<p>The Senate will likely push through another $2 billion to extend funding for the program. Benstock says the &#8220;right&#8221; vehicles are being driven off the road through the program. Most of the vehicles are older SUVs, minivans and trucks. &#8220;They&#8217;re junk.&#8221;</p>
<p>American consumers have proven that with the right incentives &#8212; monetary in nature &#8212; they&#8217;re willing to buy more fuel efficient vehicles. The lesson for automakers (especially Detroit) is that with Congress and gas prices leading the way, the shift to fuel efficiency will continue.</p>
<p><em>This article originally appeared on <a title="Matter Network" href="http://www.matternetwork.com/2009/7/san-jose-leading-ev-charge.cfm" target="_blank">Matter Network</a>.</em></p>
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